Comments on: Some more books http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/ Journal : Critique & Commentary: On the Human Condition Fri, 18 May 2012 12:28:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: Daniels Counter http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-378514 Daniels Counter Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:40:01 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-378514 Hey what happened to your posting! We miss you! Hey what happened to your posting! We miss you!

]]> By: sonia http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-354168 sonia Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:32:05 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-354168 i've read that book, very interesting it is too. very informative, very good description of empire, i like the bit where he says "empire was built on a rush of sugar, caffeine and tobacco". and i find niall's philosophy quite conventional and simplistic - the means justifies the end sort of thing, but what can you expect, and the old 'best of all possible world' sort of thinking. But its a good insight into empire machination. and after all he is simply reflecting the reality of what Empire was about - and which has always been ( everywhere i mean - all empires in history) about having a world-domination outlook. i wouldn't reduce it to  racism, which obviously may or may not be present, but the bigger picture, more significant issue is that it's certainly <em>group</em>-ist, tribalist. 'our tribe is the best and we are shining " sort of thinking, whatever that group or tribe chooses to identify around, and of course, the British empire wasn't the only one that went around thinking such things. for example, we sub-continentalists are highly experienced at multi-axis and multi-layered group discrimination, islam has been very much imbued with arab supremacy type thinking, and so on and so forth. i’ve read that book, very interesting it is too. very informative, very good description of empire, i like the bit where he says “empire was built on a rush of sugar, caffeine and tobacco”. and i find niall’s philosophy quite conventional and simplistic - the means justifies the end sort of thing, but what can you expect, and the old ‘best of all possible world’ sort of thinking. But its a good insight into empire machination. and after all he is simply reflecting the reality of what Empire was about - and which has always been ( everywhere i mean - all empires in history) about having a world-domination outlook. i wouldn’t reduce it to  racism, which obviously may or may not be present, but the bigger picture, more significant issue is that it’s certainly group-ist, tribalist. ‘our tribe is the best and we are shining ” sort of thinking, whatever that group or tribe chooses to identify around, and of course, the British empire wasn’t the only one that went around thinking such things. for example, we sub-continentalists are highly experienced at multi-axis and multi-layered group discrimination, islam has been very much imbued with arab supremacy type thinking, and so on and so forth.

]]> By: Indy http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-346729 Indy Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:45:37 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-346729 One book I am reading currently is Niall Ferguson's Empire. It is quite interesting, though at times Ferguson does appear slightly condescending or disparaging towards people of Africa and Asia. But I won't term that as racism, he does speak with lots of facts, which can only be countered by more facts. One book I am reading currently is Niall Ferguson’s Empire.

It is quite interesting, though at times Ferguson does appear slightly condescending or disparaging towards people of Africa and Asia.

But I won’t term that as racism, he does speak with lots of facts, which can only be countered by more facts.

]]> By: Indy http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-345155 Indy Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:01:32 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-345155 Thats a good list of books. But the problem is that these days books are becoming more and more like magazines, in the sense that they have almost similar shelf life. I mean, once upon a time, books that got written were expected to last for years, if not centuries, but these days, the book becomes a bestseller for this week and in the next week it disappears completely. Thats a good list of books.

But the problem is that these days books are becoming more and more like magazines, in the sense that they have almost similar shelf life.

I mean, once upon a time, books that got written were expected to last for years, if not centuries, but these days, the book becomes a bestseller for this week and in the next week it disappears completely.

]]> By: Salahudin http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-340848 Salahudin Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:52:43 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-340848 oi! where's that email? oi! where’s that email?

]]> By: Leighton Cooke http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-337196 Leighton Cooke Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:31:02 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-337196 I didn't know till this evening that ghosts are inherently dumb. Perhaps it's because they hide behind a made up name that they are so liberal with their insults. I didn’t know till this evening that ghosts are inherently dumb. Perhaps it’s because they hide behind a made up name that they are so liberal with their insults.

]]> By: Rumbold http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-337146 Rumbold Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:23:00 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-337146 Sonia: "I’m not quite sure what he’s trying to say, but he seems to be trying to generally communicate a strong air of disapproval! not quite sure why he thinks i would care, but there you go. social conditioning is interesting - perhaps Ghost thinks I will wither away or something. stop raising these uncomfortable issues/casting shame on my culture and religion and be a good little conformist girl. (fat chance)." The question I want to know is whether he is accusing you of being a traitor to Islam, or an Islamic terrorist. Can anyone translate Ghost for us? Sonia:

“I’m not quite sure what he’s trying to say, but he seems to be trying to generally communicate a strong air of disapproval! not quite sure why he thinks i would care, but there you go. social conditioning is interesting - perhaps Ghost thinks I will wither away or something. stop raising these uncomfortable issues/casting shame on my culture and religion and be a good little conformist girl. (fat chance).”

The question I want to know is whether he is accusing you of being a traitor to Islam, or an Islamic terrorist. Can anyone translate Ghost for us?

]]> By: Salahudin http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-337077 Salahudin Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:00:28 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-337077 you know, as representative of a rather large group of apostates of islam, i have to say that muslims abuse and hate apostate women of islam more than anyone else... they go after them with a passion... some form of patriarchal madness. it reflects the lack of emotional maturity in the muslim world. you know, as representative of a rather large group of apostates of islam, i have to say that muslims abuse and hate apostate women of islam more than anyone else… they go after them with a passion…

some form of patriarchal madness. it reflects the lack of emotional maturity in the muslim world.

]]> By: sonia http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-336941 sonia Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:49:31 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-336941 good point rumbold, i'm not quite sure what he's trying to say, but he seems to be trying to generally communicate a strong air of disapproval! not quite sure why he thinks i would care, but there you go. social conditioning is interesting - perhaps Ghost thinks I will wither away or something. stop raising these uncomfortable issues/casting shame on my culture and religion and be a good little conformist girl. (fat chance) good point rumbold, i’m not quite sure what he’s trying to say, but he seems to be trying to generally communicate a strong air of disapproval! not quite sure why he thinks i would care, but there you go. social conditioning is interesting - perhaps Ghost thinks I will wither away or something. stop raising these uncomfortable issues/casting shame on my culture and religion and be a good little conformist girl. (fat chance)

]]> By: Rumbold http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/comment-page-1/#comment-336122 Rumbold Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:23:00 +0000 http://shorno.net/2007/11/05/some-more-books/#comment-336122 Sonia: I cannot actually work out what Ghost is trying to say. Perhaps his intellect is far greater than ours. First he said that you should criticise your own culture (which you do), then he said that you shouldn't deny terrorist supporters their freedom of speech (which you don't). Ghost: Are you a bit confused? Do you need a lie-down? Sonia:

I cannot actually work out what Ghost is trying to say. Perhaps his intellect is far greater than ours. First he said that you should criticise your own culture (which you do), then he said that you shouldn’t deny terrorist supporters their freedom of speech (which you don’t).

Ghost:

Are you a bit confused? Do you need a lie-down?

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