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		<title>By: ibn-batutta</title>
		<link>http://shorno.net/2006/02/22/john-reid-on-war-against-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-3732</link>
		<dc:creator>ibn-batutta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"When evil people are killed for a just cause then that is always for the good."

Meghdutam, are you conceding that if someone decides that you are evil, that they have the right to kill you and that would be a good thing? This is, after all, the principle you are applying, so it must apply to you too, no?

Or is your opinion as to who is evil and who isn't evil the only opinion that matters? Are you "obviously" not evil while others "obviously" are? Who decides this? Who decides the "just" cause? Right-thinking people?

Once you justify pre-emptive murder you are on a very slippery slope, no? You are in danger of saying that if country X executes a pre-emptive strike on another (let's say Nazi Germany attacking Soviet Russia) it is evil but if country Y executes a pre-emptive strike on another (the USA attacking Iraq) then it's justified. Why? Because Nazi Germany is reviled and the USA is celebrated?

Is it not the action itself which defines an act of evil, not the perpetrator?

If not, then you agree with the proposition that a "coalition of the good" in the house next door to you can systematically smear the characters of all members of your household and then - with huge amounts of public support all the way down the street - annihilate you and the people you share your house with?

Killing is violent and evil. Full stop. There is nothing glorious in taking the life of another.

Bringing people to justice and making them answer seriously for their crimes is necessary. But committing murder for the sake of vengeance or profit and justifying it by appealing to simplistic notions of "good" and "evil" is ugly at best and monstrous at worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When evil people are killed for a just cause then that is always for the good.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meghdutam, are you conceding that if someone decides that you are evil, that they have the right to kill you and that would be a good thing? This is, after all, the principle you are applying, so it must apply to you too, no?</p>
<p>Or is your opinion as to who is evil and who isn&#8217;t evil the only opinion that matters? Are you &#8220;obviously&#8221; not evil while others &#8220;obviously&#8221; are? Who decides this? Who decides the &#8220;just&#8221; cause? Right-thinking people?</p>
<p>Once you justify pre-emptive murder you are on a very slippery slope, no? You are in danger of saying that if country X executes a pre-emptive strike on another (let&#8217;s say Nazi Germany attacking Soviet Russia) it is evil but if country Y executes a pre-emptive strike on another (the USA attacking Iraq) then it&#8217;s justified. Why? Because Nazi Germany is reviled and the USA is celebrated?</p>
<p>Is it not the action itself which defines an act of evil, not the perpetrator?</p>
<p>If not, then you agree with the proposition that a &#8220;coalition of the good&#8221; in the house next door to you can systematically smear the characters of all members of your household and then - with huge amounts of public support all the way down the street - annihilate you and the people you share your house with?</p>
<p>Killing is violent and evil. Full stop. There is nothing glorious in taking the life of another.</p>
<p>Bringing people to justice and making them answer seriously for their crimes is necessary. But committing murder for the sake of vengeance or profit and justifying it by appealing to simplistic notions of &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;evil&#8221; is ugly at best and monstrous at worst.</p>
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		<title>By: phaedrus</title>
		<link>http://shorno.net/2006/02/22/john-reid-on-war-against-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-2172</link>
		<dc:creator>phaedrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When one considers terrorists = Bush admin/Blair admin/Al Qaeda... it makes sense.

But how many really realise this?  

I think John Reid is just spinning here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When one considers terrorists = Bush admin/Blair admin/Al Qaeda&#8230; it makes sense.</p>
<p>But how many really realise this?  </p>
<p>I think John Reid is just spinning here.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://shorno.net/2006/02/22/john-reid-on-war-against-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-2156</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man you sound just like the terrorists. 'go to heaven' - martyrdom - what's the bloody difference! yeah don't worry id much rather be a 'loony peacenik' ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man you sound just like the terrorists. &#8216;go to heaven&#8217; - martyrdom - what&#8217;s the bloody difference! yeah don&#8217;t worry id much rather be a &#8216;loony peacenik&#8217; ..</p>
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		<title>By: Meghdutam</title>
		<link>http://shorno.net/2006/02/22/john-reid-on-war-against-evil/comment-page-1/#comment-2154</link>
		<dc:creator>Meghdutam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"surely the point is that killing anyone is Ã¢â‚¬Ëœnot niceÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ to say the least. !!"
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Absolute rubbish!

Sorry Comrade Sonia, You are behaving like a loony peacenik on this one. 

When evil people are killed for a just cause then that is always for the good. 

Bad killings are only those where the innocents are unjustly murdered by criminals, terrorists or drunken drivers. 

When free nations wage wars against cruel dictatorships like Hitlers 'GErmany, Stalins Russia or Saddams Iraaq- in such cases the deaths are justified and those who lose their lives in such just wars are sure to go to heaven and have jolly goood time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;surely the point is that killing anyone is Ã¢â‚¬Ëœnot niceÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ to say the least. !!&#8221;<br />
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Absolute rubbish!</p>
<p>Sorry Comrade Sonia, You are behaving like a loony peacenik on this one. </p>
<p>When evil people are killed for a just cause then that is always for the good. </p>
<p>Bad killings are only those where the innocents are unjustly murdered by criminals, terrorists or drunken drivers. </p>
<p>When free nations wage wars against cruel dictatorships like Hitlers &#8216;GErmany, Stalins Russia or Saddams Iraaq- in such cases the deaths are justified and those who lose their lives in such just wars are sure to go to heaven and have jolly goood time.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good questions. ive had a very quick glimpse at the project censored site, definitely will have to look through in detail when i get outta work! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good questions. ive had a very quick glimpse at the project censored site, definitely will have to look through in detail when i get outta work! <img src='http://shorno.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: phaedrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>phaedrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human rights first.  

As for John Reid, he certainly seems rather ignorant on certain matters.  Selective ignorance or simple ignorance or forced ignorance (threats)?  
The consequences of this type of propaganda is most destructive.  When we all need truth to actually catch the real culprits.  It is a well known philosophy, never to gie in to terrorism.  
One just needs to see the connections between, international banking mafia, PNAC, and all the inconsistencies and cover-ups, to find disturbing links.

Have a look at "Project Censored" website, there is much revealing information collected.  

Could the real terrorists be in fact quite diferent to the claimed 'islamist terrorism' problem.  Beyond a shadow of a doubt IMHO.

When the government now says we need stability in Iraq befroe a pull-out, is this not just an invitation to more black flag terrorist attacks?  Also, why the torture?  Why the disrespect for international law and geneva conventions?  Why all the propaganda and cover-ups?

Unresolved matters:
JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King, and Malcolm X assassinations.
The attack on pearl harbour.
Reichstag fire and funding of Hitler's rise to power.  (Prescott Bush)
Enron Scandal.
Lincoln assassination.
911, 711, and Madrid bombings.
PNAC and HJS organisations and mafia links.
Bilderberg organisation.
Fractional reserve banking and the Washington consensus.
The role of the treasury in the British government.
The role of the federal reserve in the US government.
...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human rights first.  </p>
<p>As for John Reid, he certainly seems rather ignorant on certain matters.  Selective ignorance or simple ignorance or forced ignorance (threats)?<br />
The consequences of this type of propaganda is most destructive.  When we all need truth to actually catch the real culprits.  It is a well known philosophy, never to gie in to terrorism.<br />
One just needs to see the connections between, international banking mafia, PNAC, and all the inconsistencies and cover-ups, to find disturbing links.</p>
<p>Have a look at &#8220;Project Censored&#8221; website, there is much revealing information collected.  </p>
<p>Could the real terrorists be in fact quite diferent to the claimed &#8216;islamist terrorism&#8217; problem.  Beyond a shadow of a doubt IMHO.</p>
<p>When the government now says we need stability in Iraq befroe a pull-out, is this not just an invitation to more black flag terrorist attacks?  Also, why the torture?  Why the disrespect for international law and geneva conventions?  Why all the propaganda and cover-ups?</p>
<p>Unresolved matters:<br />
JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King, and Malcolm X assassinations.<br />
The attack on pearl harbour.<br />
Reichstag fire and funding of Hitler&#8217;s rise to power.  (Prescott Bush)<br />
Enron Scandal.<br />
Lincoln assassination.<br />
911, 711, and Madrid bombings.<br />
PNAC and HJS organisations and mafia links.<br />
Bilderberg organisation.<br />
Fractional reserve banking and the Washington consensus.<br />
The role of the treasury in the British government.<br />
The role of the federal reserve in the US government.<br />
&#8230;</p>
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