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	<title>Comments on: Finally! Some sense at last: the &#039;social&#039;</title>
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		<title>By: free the free market please at Sonia&#8217;s Diary</title>
		<link>http://shorno.net/2006/02/14/finally-some-sense-at-last-the-social/comment-page-1/#comment-53251</link>
		<dc:creator>free the free market please at Sonia&#8217;s Diary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bottom line - some people have laid the groundwork so that any discussion on freedom and markets are carried out without any consideration of the social context and the social organizations and institutions weâ€™re saddled with. which shape the social forces we operate within. taking nation-states for â€˜grantedâ€™ as some â€˜god-givenâ€™ social unit with perfect legitimacy and as some wonderfully â€˜freeâ€™ and equal unit - not as a highly flawed social construct that spawns major global inequalities. oh no. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bottom line - some people have laid the groundwork so that any discussion on freedom and markets are carried out without any consideration of the social context and the social organizations and institutions weâ€™re saddled with. which shape the social forces we operate within. taking nation-states for â€˜grantedâ€™ as some â€˜god-givenâ€™ social unit with perfect legitimacy and as some wonderfully â€˜freeâ€™ and equal unit - not as a highly flawed social construct that spawns major global inequalities. oh no. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Meghdutam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meghdutam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I guess your real name is Roy, Bose, Chatterjee or Banerjee. We have a running joke among the few decent capitalist friends that whenever two Bengalis get together they form a 'trade union'. 

Just holler for their so called scumbaggy rights, and care not a whit for the duties or responsibilities. 

So it is natural that the two Bengalis on this blog (comrade Tom &amp; Comrade Sonia) should form a trade union of their own. 

Best of luck guys maybe if you holler a lot some capitalist may come around and drop a few nickles and dimes. 

As far as BJP is concerned, it is a great nationalist party. I am its proud supporter, India did shine during their rule. But some scumbaggy communists spread their false propganda and that is why the BJP lost. 

Though during the next elections there is going to be a different story and a a different government.

As they all say- tomorrow is another day. 

So long comrades! Go ahead use your hammer and sickle to shave your beards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I guess your real name is Roy, Bose, Chatterjee or Banerjee. We have a running joke among the few decent capitalist friends that whenever two Bengalis get together they form a &#8216;trade union&#8217;. </p>
<p>Just holler for their so called scumbaggy rights, and care not a whit for the duties or responsibilities. </p>
<p>So it is natural that the two Bengalis on this blog (comrade Tom &amp; Comrade Sonia) should form a trade union of their own. </p>
<p>Best of luck guys maybe if you holler a lot some capitalist may come around and drop a few nickles and dimes. </p>
<p>As far as BJP is concerned, it is a great nationalist party. I am its proud supporter, India did shine during their rule. But some scumbaggy communists spread their false propganda and that is why the BJP lost. </p>
<p>Though during the next elections there is going to be a different story and a a different government.</p>
<p>As they all say- tomorrow is another day. </p>
<p>So long comrades! Go ahead use your hammer and sickle to shave your beards.</p>
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		<title>By: phaedrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>phaedrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed globalisation, the neo-liberals have monopolised the concept.  Favouring corruption and easy money over human rights and international law.

These are the two sides to globalisation, centralised banking and human rights.

They are opposites!  Yet they are virtualy integrated as the same concept by cunning criminals.  What better than to hide a criminal concept behind one of humanism.  

The US and UK governments now say that Chavez is a threat to democracy, of course, when they say this they are denigrating the very concept they pretend to be protecting.  If Chavez is a threat to democracy, then so are over 50% of the Venezuela population.  Does this mean they want to commit genocide upon the Venezuelan population?  Because that is what it clearly implies.

So, are we to consider that the real meaning of democracy is international centralised banking financial interests?  Pushing upon the world the Washington consensus, no matter how many must be murdered, famished... under these circumstances it is of little wonder that these forces could plan terrorist attacks to blame it on communities that are resisting the Washington consensus and create excuses for warfare.

This cannot be tolerated and it won't be tolerated.  
We know who the real terrorists are.
By the eternal God we shall prevail, human rights and international law shall prevail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed globalisation, the neo-liberals have monopolised the concept.  Favouring corruption and easy money over human rights and international law.</p>
<p>These are the two sides to globalisation, centralised banking and human rights.</p>
<p>They are opposites!  Yet they are virtualy integrated as the same concept by cunning criminals.  What better than to hide a criminal concept behind one of humanism.  </p>
<p>The US and UK governments now say that Chavez is a threat to democracy, of course, when they say this they are denigrating the very concept they pretend to be protecting.  If Chavez is a threat to democracy, then so are over 50% of the Venezuela population.  Does this mean they want to commit genocide upon the Venezuelan population?  Because that is what it clearly implies.</p>
<p>So, are we to consider that the real meaning of democracy is international centralised banking financial interests?  Pushing upon the world the Washington consensus, no matter how many must be murdered, famished&#8230; under these circumstances it is of little wonder that these forces could plan terrorist attacks to blame it on communities that are resisting the Washington consensus and create excuses for warfare.</p>
<p>This cannot be tolerated and it won&#8217;t be tolerated.<br />
We know who the real terrorists are.<br />
By the eternal God we shall prevail, human rights and international law shall prevail.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-) thank you Tom! and i couldn't have said it better meself.

My fundamental point is, and always has  been, that people - individuals - need to think for themselvs and ask questions. if that is all my posts ever do then i've accomplished something - in my opinion - crucial. So i'm glad the post is thought provoking. it would be nice if it makes people think: - this troll IC who as you say has nothing of any substance to say except bandy about ridiculous insults. As you say all IC ( or Meghadutam in his new guise) can ever come up with are 'ridiculous' to say the least - personal insults - boy - some of them are so  funny  there ought to be a 'hall of fame/ignominy' for them! anyone who's ever been on the Guardian blogs will agree i'm sure, much fun has been had there at IC's expense.  I must admit that this possibly 'lowers' the tone of the blog to a 'slanging' match. i do enjoy debate but of course with IC there &lt;strong&gt; is&lt;/strong&gt; no &lt;strong&gt;debate&lt;/strong&gt; just some blind comments.( the same ones every time as well! Certainly not a very original person - how do you think he's going to write his next novel?? )

I have this feeling any day now some member of the SWP will be surfing the net and imagining i have some sympathy with them by looking at IC's comments! Ha that would be funny.  I guess at the end of the day IC will never understand the mindset of anarchy - since he's clearly such a conformist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://shorno.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> thank you Tom! and i couldn&#8217;t have said it better meself.</p>
<p>My fundamental point is, and always has  been, that people - individuals - need to think for themselvs and ask questions. if that is all my posts ever do then i&#8217;ve accomplished something - in my opinion - crucial. So i&#8217;m glad the post is thought provoking. it would be nice if it makes people think: - this troll IC who as you say has nothing of any substance to say except bandy about ridiculous insults. As you say all IC ( or Meghadutam in his new guise) can ever come up with are &#8216;ridiculous&#8217; to say the least - personal insults - boy - some of them are so  funny  there ought to be a &#8216;hall of fame/ignominy&#8217; for them! anyone who&#8217;s ever been on the Guardian blogs will agree i&#8217;m sure, much fun has been had there at IC&#8217;s expense.  I must admit that this possibly &#8216;lowers&#8217; the tone of the blog to a &#8217;slanging&#8217; match. i do enjoy debate but of course with IC there <strong> is</strong> no <strong>debate</strong> just some blind comments.( the same ones every time as well! Certainly not a very original person - how do you think he&#8217;s going to write his next novel?? )</p>
<p>I have this feeling any day now some member of the SWP will be surfing the net and imagining i have some sympathy with them by looking at IC&#8217;s comments! Ha that would be funny.  I guess at the end of the day IC will never understand the mindset of anarchy - since he&#8217;s clearly such a conformist.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Sonia, one of you best yet. Very insightful and thought provoking. 

Plus you are a more liberal comment moderator than me :) . 

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't edit anyone out for there political views but this guy is continually lowering the tone of your blog to the level of personal insults. 

Isn't it ironic how the fanatical capitalists who claim to be liberals, are socially so conservative and authoritarian, favouring censorship of the political views of others. What if the material which is being censored is profitable? Should it still be censored? Indian Capitalist?  Social conservatism and economic liberalism are so often in contradiction. How do so many people manage to live with this contradiction in their views? Simple economic liberalism as we no it, is not liberal at all, it involves encouraging the third world to open there markets while we keep our's protected. Those from the third-world who claim to like it, are either complete fools or highly corrupt, profiting from the exploitation and increased suffering of their own people. I would suggest that Indian Capitalist is both :-) . 

Oh IC and his beloved BJP - the Nazi's of India - who will hopefully never come back to power. Quick, Comrade Sonia, censor him, before he starts denying his Hindu nationalism! Don't tell me IC, India is Shining with the promise of real capitalism...thats why they lost the election right, because levels of rural poverty rose, while India was busy Shining with shiny new free markets and increased incomes for the upper middle classes. Only in India like everywhere else these days there is no democracy, so while the poor (vast majority) used their protest vote to get Congress back, Congress just continued the ugly job. But then who needs democracy, when you have capitalism, and a very BIG ARMY to keep the people under control. Everybody equal...no...some of them have guns, and bombs - these are the ones that go round preaching economic liberalism, and funnily enough people listen. Who are the statist control freaks in *modern* society. communists? where? Thats the past, get over it you freak, your not living in the 1980s.  The new statist stalinist, control freaks are the mouth pieces of the "neo-liberal", "neo-conservative", "neo-fascist", "neo-authoritarian", empire. 

Not to be too bleak because they are losing in the big picture, as there one to many forms of communication begin to fail in the face of many-to-many organisation through the internet. Thats why the Bush Admin now want to "fight the net", the invention intended to strengthen the armies which came back and bit them in the ass. Well good luck, but I think its too late fortunately. My guess is that they underestimate the percentage of their own population who are cyber-libertarian hackers. Even a portion of their misguided supporters like IC and his mates think that they can further the cause by using the internet, and probably wouldn't be very happy if the US government zapped there blog because for instance they expressed 'dangerous' views on environmentalism (like its a bogey when even Bush has had to admit that its a 'bit' of a problem).

IC I look forward to your reply, and hope that Sonia moderates it, edits it and republishes it to make you look even dumber than you manage to make yourself look. Good luck Sonia, it'll be a challenge :) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Sonia, one of you best yet. Very insightful and thought provoking. </p>
<p>Plus you are a more liberal comment moderator than me <img src='http://shorno.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I wouldn&#8217;t edit anyone out for there political views but this guy is continually lowering the tone of your blog to the level of personal insults. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it ironic how the fanatical capitalists who claim to be liberals, are socially so conservative and authoritarian, favouring censorship of the political views of others. What if the material which is being censored is profitable? Should it still be censored? Indian Capitalist?  Social conservatism and economic liberalism are so often in contradiction. How do so many people manage to live with this contradiction in their views? Simple economic liberalism as we no it, is not liberal at all, it involves encouraging the third world to open there markets while we keep our&#8217;s protected. Those from the third-world who claim to like it, are either complete fools or highly corrupt, profiting from the exploitation and increased suffering of their own people. I would suggest that Indian Capitalist is both <img src='http://shorno.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . </p>
<p>Oh IC and his beloved BJP - the Nazi&#8217;s of India - who will hopefully never come back to power. Quick, Comrade Sonia, censor him, before he starts denying his Hindu nationalism! Don&#8217;t tell me IC, India is Shining with the promise of real capitalism&#8230;thats why they lost the election right, because levels of rural poverty rose, while India was busy Shining with shiny new free markets and increased incomes for the upper middle classes. Only in India like everywhere else these days there is no democracy, so while the poor (vast majority) used their protest vote to get Congress back, Congress just continued the ugly job. But then who needs democracy, when you have capitalism, and a very BIG ARMY to keep the people under control. Everybody equal&#8230;no&#8230;some of them have guns, and bombs - these are the ones that go round preaching economic liberalism, and funnily enough people listen. Who are the statist control freaks in *modern* society. communists? where? Thats the past, get over it you freak, your not living in the 1980s.  The new statist stalinist, control freaks are the mouth pieces of the &#8220;neo-liberal&#8221;, &#8220;neo-conservative&#8221;, &#8220;neo-fascist&#8221;, &#8220;neo-authoritarian&#8221;, empire. </p>
<p>Not to be too bleak because they are losing in the big picture, as there one to many forms of communication begin to fail in the face of many-to-many organisation through the internet. Thats why the Bush Admin now want to &#8220;fight the net&#8221;, the invention intended to strengthen the armies which came back and bit them in the ass. Well good luck, but I think its too late fortunately. My guess is that they underestimate the percentage of their own population who are cyber-libertarian hackers. Even a portion of their misguided supporters like IC and his mates think that they can further the cause by using the internet, and probably wouldn&#8217;t be very happy if the US government zapped there blog because for instance they expressed &#8216;dangerous&#8217; views on environmentalism (like its a bogey when even Bush has had to admit that its a &#8216;bit&#8217; of a problem).</p>
<p>IC I look forward to your reply, and hope that Sonia moderates it, edits it and republishes it to make you look even dumber than you manage to make yourself look. Good luck Sonia, it&#8217;ll be a challenge <img src='http://shorno.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah well. think what you like dear child..and say what you like..reap the advantage of hanging out on a liberal anarchist's site.

'genious' - hmm..did you mean genius by any chance? you do need to fix your spelling..;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah well. think what you like dear child..and say what you like..reap the advantage of hanging out on a liberal anarchist&#8217;s site.</p>
<p>&#8216;genious&#8217; - hmm..did you mean genius by any chance? you do need to fix your spelling..;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Meghdutam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meghdutam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comrade,

I delete your comments only when they get too leftist. 

"does anyone else who reads this blog think this person is a bit of a nutter? "


No dearth of such misguided ones. It is an usual ploy of the leftists. What you cannot refute with logic and reason, try to obfuscate through cheap humor. 

You are doing well, Comrade Sonia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comrade,</p>
<p>I delete your comments only when they get too leftist. </p>
<p>&#8220;does anyone else who reads this blog think this person is a bit of a nutter? &#8221;</p>
<p>No dearth of such misguided ones. It is an usual ploy of the leftists. What you cannot refute with logic and reason, try to obfuscate through cheap humor. </p>
<p>You are doing well, Comrade Sonia.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone else who reads this blog think this person is a bit of a nutter? comrade sonia indeedy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone else who reads this blog think this person is a bit of a nutter? comrade sonia indeedy!</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'once in a while'?! ha! sounds like you're &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; saying what you say on my blog..and very kind and generous of me to carry on letting you. i happen to know you keep deleting half of the comments i leave on yours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;once in a while&#8217;?! ha! sounds like you&#8217;re <em>always</em> saying what you say on my blog..and very kind and generous of me to carry on letting you. i happen to know you keep deleting half of the comments i leave on yours!</p>
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		<title>By: Meghdutam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meghdutam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Comrade Sonia's democracy the donkeys will run as fast as the race horses, and morons with sit alongside the scientists. 

Ah how egalitarian, everyone is equal.... But what about the individuals who don't want to sell their soul to the perverted cult of equality. 

Oh for them, the individualistic ones, "comrade Sonia" will open a few concentration camps, where these so called genious will be tortured and killed. And then we will have the mad dance of socialism, the utopia of equality, where only ones left alive will be the morons. Hasn't this happened before in Comrade Sonia's insipired land. You know which land I am talking of- (Soviet Union, or even Bangladesh, where the mad socialists have all but stifled all talent and turned the nation into a land of philistines where rampaging mobs rule the streets. 

Sorry, but once in a while someone needs to get frank enough and fill in the gaps in your learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Comrade Sonia&#8217;s democracy the donkeys will run as fast as the race horses, and morons with sit alongside the scientists. </p>
<p>Ah how egalitarian, everyone is equal&#8230;. But what about the individuals who don&#8217;t want to sell their soul to the perverted cult of equality. </p>
<p>Oh for them, the individualistic ones, &#8220;comrade Sonia&#8221; will open a few concentration camps, where these so called genious will be tortured and killed. And then we will have the mad dance of socialism, the utopia of equality, where only ones left alive will be the morons. Hasn&#8217;t this happened before in Comrade Sonia&#8217;s insipired land. You know which land I am talking of- (Soviet Union, or even Bangladesh, where the mad socialists have all but stifled all talent and turned the nation into a land of philistines where rampaging mobs rule the streets. </p>
<p>Sorry, but once in a while someone needs to get frank enough and fill in the gaps in your learning.</p>
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