ditto ven - you’re absolutely right i don’t know you. and similarly - you don’t know me either. and - i can understand completely where you might be coming from. Again i’m not sure why you think anything i’ve said is aimed at ‘punishing the achievers’.

amusingly, people do conform to the ‘“if you can’t beat ‘em - join ‘em’ - why not as you say. i just don’t think it’s actually that simple - there’s no ‘line’ which separates ‘them’ from ‘us’ - the complex nature of interaction in society means that at any point in time, it’s likely that an individual on the one hand is affected ‘negatively’ by these forces, and at the same time, on the other hand, is effecting ‘negatively’ something or someone else somewhere else.

yah so there you have it - swinging between utopia, the status quo and some sort of ‘progress’ to an in-between point.

also i do find it amusing how you use the ‘comrade’ terminology to address me when actually the language of ‘marxism’ is much more in line with what you’ve been saying. violent revolution and all that. i always think its hilarious when people say Revolution! what’s a revolution again ..let’s see.. hmm one revolution of the wheel - and where are we back to:? square bloody one.

Law of evolution. Thanks for observing the obvious. Instead of finding ways to improve opportunities you Sonia and your comrades seek ways to penalize the achievers. You have no idea how much I worked to get to where I am do you? I cannot blame you for you hardly know me.

You guys cant think of spreading education. You guys cant think of investing money in projects that bring employment. You guys cant think of encouraging entrepreurship. You guys cant think of making societies equal opportunity. You guys can think of reducing beurocratic red tapism. Cant you?

Yet you guys can only think of Oil embargoes (Hugo Chavezes own words), Increasing drug production (The new lefty leader from Bolivia, Chavezes comrade in arms ) so that poor farmers dont suffer, stopping the construction of dams (Arundhati Roy, also going to the Social rally in Venezeuala), Increasing subsidies (Spainish prime minister Zapatero also a big lefty supporting Chavez), Stop globalization etc.

If you and your comrades succeed, what can we do? - Nothing.

“if you can’t beat ‘em - join ‘em. ” Certainly why not?

if you can’t beat ‘em - join ‘em.

Sure.

Anyway, i’m fairly dystopic ( as someone recently pointed out) myself so good luck to the both of you.

The world is in black and white. Either you will have Utopia or you will have Stalin’s dungeons. It cannot be the both at the same time. So before you guys go on decrying Utopia, you should give a look to what a dastardly sort of society is the alternative.

I agree with the emotional content of the views you have expressed though I cannot bring myself to agree with the factual content of the same.

The fact is that the communists have hijacked the concept of Utopia, as they have hijacked the concept of welfare of workers. For example if you read Orwell’s 1984 you will find how communists can destroy concepts by turning them on their head. In 1984 the Ministry of Love is involved in largescale torture, the Ministry of Truth is involved in spreading disinformation, Ministry of Peace is involved with warfare, and so on and so forth. Thus the communists distroy love and truth and peace…

Similarly the communists around the world have tried to destroy the concept of Utopia by causing poverty and pestilence in the name of movements towards Utopia. We should not given in to the communist scumbags. It is time for the capitalists of the world to reclaim Utopia. Utopia can and will exist, but for that we have destroy communism for the final time.

Let the battle begin……

It is supreme irony that you say UTOPIA can be obtained by banning Commies and Religious Fundos. For the people who seek UTOPIA are exactly these people! Heaven is UTOPIA for the religious Fundos and removal of Class inequalities is the UTOPIA for commies.

My entire thesis of being realistic, is showing people that such things dont exist. Our societies have been created with the irrefutable fact of social darwinism. I just ask people to open their eyes and see it.

Capitalism, is nothing but an extension of this reality.

Sorry, but I must protest that statement. Utopia can exist, it call if we can find a way to make extinct the dastardly race of communists and religious fundamentalists.

A society managed by the system of complete is what Utopia is. Yes, I do agree with you that the term Utopia has come down to us from the realm of fiction. But so have many other terms. For example before the technology that could make man fly or to create marvels like Internet, space rockets etc could be discovered, these things were imagined by fiction writers. In a capitalist society yesterdays fiction is tomorrows reality.

And so is Utopia. Utopia seems impossible to you because you are demoralized and you think that real capitalism is just not possibe in a world full of communists like Sonia. But beleive me the days of communists are numbered. Everyone from India to China to Africa has realized how evil communism is.

And that is what makes me so confident that the world is on a fasttrack towards an Utopia, where a capitalist environment will pave way to wonderful human rights standards and new discoveries and inventions will be the order of the day…..